All Good Things Eventually Come To An End

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8 Responses to “All Good Things Eventually Come To An End”

JP says:

October 24, 2013 at 05:28

Wow. Glad I got mine when I did. I guess even though it was supposedly 100% legal, in IAW state and federal guidelines, the BATFE once again trumps all as it sees fit.

Very sorry to hear about this.
JPate says:

October 24, 2013 at 10:26

What is the basis behind this letter? Are they saying the 80% lower build is illegal or the class with people coming from all over! then transporting the lower back across state lines as being illegal?
Jbgleason says:

October 24, 2013 at 12:01

Yes. More details please as to the basis for this decision. I guess if they were sending the lowers into Mexico this would be OK with ATF? (Couldn’t resist that one.)
Reverend says:

October 24, 2013 at 12:02

The thing that always gets me? You can ask multiple different BATFE people the same question, and get a different answer EVERY time!

There isn’t any consistency. If they all followed the same game plan, it would prevent the abuses, and confusion.
- Haji says:
  
  October 24, 2013 at 13:41
  
  If they had consistency they could be held accountable at all times. How many parts of any government go out of their way for that?
bloke_from_ohio says:

October 24, 2013 at 13:15

I read an interesting essay on ATF inconsistencies. It very well could be by design. By being difficult to interperate the rules make it easy for folks to break accidentally. Sincce ignorance of the law not being an excuse, this makes it easy to nail people. The more people they get the better their numbers look and the easier it is to get funding.

This is probably not the case. It is probably more of a function of the vagueness of the laws the ATF rules are based upon combined with typical organization incompetence that seems to plauge large organizations like this. To many chefs, empire building, other civil service nonsence and so on.

But it serves as an interesting though expieriment about incentives and behavior in government.

Do not ascribe anything to malice that can be explained by incompetence, but never discount malice.
Stoney says:

October 24, 2013 at 15:54

I say make it a viral thing. Small groups sponsor their own “private” build parties. Do it on a private residence as opposed to a commercial property. No “paid” instructors or experts. Like a CNC club or something.
Moose says:

October 24, 2013 at 18:46

I work in a gun store. If you want help assembling your stripped AR lower, I can’t help you… As soon as I start dropping the LPK into the receiver, the ATF views that as the store manufacturing a firearm. I would then have take the lower into our system, and you would have to complete a 4473 and NICS to to take possession of your property…

I’m sure this is exactly what is being applied to the Ares build parties. They are essentially becoming the manufacturer of the lower receiver, and then folks get to leave with the 80% lower that they completed, with the oversight of Ares, minus the paper trail…