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Coyote Rifleworks are doing their best to enlighten the firearms community about pending legislation that will impact your rights as a law abiding gun owner. Executive Action ATF 41P seeks to put the final decision of whether a person can own an NFA firearm in the hands of the Chief Law Enforcement Officer of your area. Regardless of whether or not you can pass a background check, the personal or political beliefs of the CLEO will be the deciding factor on your application. Should your CLEO decide to ignore your request or refuse for any reason, you have no recourse unless you live in 1 of only 6 states that have passed “Shall Certify” legislation.
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I have done several form 1’s and own a few form 4 guns. The CLEO’s signature has always been a necessary part of the application. If your CLEO or DA doesn’t sign NFA, you’re SOL.
How does ATF 41P change anything?
Right now Trusts don’t require the CLEO signature. The executive action of 41P seeks to change that but considering it takes an extraordinary move toward regulating trusts in new ways I’m not sure it’s legal. The vast majority of corporations in America are trusts.
SShink,
Individuals making application to ATF to manufacture or transfer an NFA Title II firearms are required to submit 2 photographs, 2 sets of FBI approved fingerprints, and the signature of the Chief Law Enforcement Officer (CLEO).
After the Hughes Amendment to the Firearm Owners Protection Act in 1986, an attorney pioneered the use of a Gun Trust which does not require the submission of photographs, fingerprints, or CLEO signature as a Trust is not an “alive person” as defined by law.
For many, the use of an NFA Trust is the only avenue available to law abiding and responsible gun owners who wish to own a Title II firearm when the Chief Law Enforcement Officer refuses to sign.
ATF 41P, should it pass, will require ALL persons to submit photos, fingerprints, and CLEO signature, and if they are unable to obtain it, be “SOL” as you put it.
The arbitrary ability of the CLEO to refuse to sign should never be a part of the process.
If you apply for your Form 1 or 4 using a Trust there is no CLEO signature required, no finger-print cards, etc. You are a Trustee and the Trust owns the items. (something to that extent)
you can also add people to the trust. This allows them to use the items legally without you being present. Also a beneficiary can take possession of said items at anytime you give them up, say at your death, and they don’t have to do the transfer dance. ATF likes the trust. I like what they like. 🙂 Make sure you use an attorney that knows what they are doing. Don’t just use anyone….trust me they don’t know if they haven’t done this before.
and a ‘trust builder’ software doesnt count. firearm trusts are entirely different beasts.
I thought that there were certain states that didn’t allow trust stuff? like CA and NY.
CA and NY have restricted the rights of their people. its not so much the trusts being the issue, but the items themselves.
ahhh…. Gotcha, so a person could have an item under the trust but it still has to be legal in that state.
Justin is correct. The Trust takes the place of the individual registering for the item, but the item still has to be legal for ownership in your state.
NFA stuff is not allowed for regular people in NY State.
Can you make a trust if you are currently overseas on orders?
Yes, absolutely.
You would just use your stateside home of record for filing your Forms 1 and 4.
SSD, What are the “Shall certify” states?
Jon, OPT
Alaska, Arizona, Kansas, Kentucky, Oklahoma, Tennessee