Now removed from its spot on Bragg Blvd, the iconic sign announcing you were now on Fort Bragg, is still available as a desktop or wall mount display, courtesy of ReliablesignsNC on Etsy.
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A lovely reminder of the base we love so well, and the institution that is being destroyed in real time by a cultural disease that threatens to lead us back into civil war. Very appropriate.
Bragg should have a base named after him. His poor generalship greatly contributed to the Confederacy’s loss.
No one ever said you can’t learn from someone else’s mistakes. Point of fact that might be what being an officer is all about. We should have a base named after Benedict Arnold…might teach some upper level DOD brass what loyalty to one’s country is all about.
There was a fort named after Arnold. It was renamed West Point shortly after Arnold’s betrayal.
You guys have obviously never seen “Stripes.”
Certainly an unlikable fellow, but also saddled with Polk. Not that it really mattered once it was decided to not push up to the Ohio and St. Louis, gave the North plenty of time to bring in 48’ers and sweep into TN and AR.
Ft. Lee should’ve remained, as Robert E. Lee freed more slaves than Lincoln ever did.
Of all the names it could have been, Fort Liberty is the worst.
I was always partial to Fort Funk after 1SG Leonard Funk of WW2. Total BAMF!
Amen!
Fort Funk would have had cool ring to it. Fort Yarborough, or Fort Gavin, or Fort Ridgeway would have been great choices too.
In fact, Fort Yarborough probably would have been the best choice given his connection to both the Airborne and Special Forces legacies.
Ridgway.
Not the Way of the Ridge. Please, sir.
No no no no no. Ft Benavidez. Roy Benavidez represents the excellence of the special operations nco and is an example for all Americans. Funk already has a sweet gym.
Meanwhile in the Democratic Peoples Republic of California, the city of Fort Bragg, lives on.
It’s stuff like this that’s going to destroy the All Volunteer Force. Sorry. *is destroying*.
Fitting that it’s happening after celebrating it’s 50th anniversary.
Yes, removing the names of men responsible for the deaths of hundreds of thousands of American soldiers from American military installations is what’s destroying the Army.
And while they have not yet been successful there have been multiple attempts to change the name for Fort Bragg, CA. And at least there the name predates him turning traitor.
Yes, because we all know that’s why the names are being changed, and not over some revisionist history of what the “Civil War” was about.
Nevermind that Confederate soldiers are both legally and morally “American soldiers” too, yet I don’t see people calling for, say, Ft. McClellan to be renamed.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=luc9saxt_YQ
Look at the comments. Look at the ratio. This isn’t the first mirror either. There’s silence in real life because the online pushback is resounding across the board. The changing of names on installations has nothing to do with the people they’re named after and everything to do with the symbolism of iconoclasm for its own sake.
I believe of majority see it for what it actually is, a symbolic representation that the Army and the Pentagon and this administration value cultural point scoring over doing the actual job of defending the country. They are more concerned with diversity, equity and inclusion than they are saving the all volunteer force, preparing the force to fight the actual battles that are not coming instead of the wished-for ones, and protecting the careers of flag and administrative toadies that provide “yes” answers on command and vascillating deflections instead of “nos”.
It’s so clear 17, 18, and 19 year olds can see it and they ordered up 800 NCOs to fill out a recruiting corps that won’t meet next years goals if they’d force 5000 to into recruiting.
https://americanmilitarynews.com/2022/09/air-force-colonel-on-video-stop-hiring-middle-aged-white-dudes/
Ok, couple things to try an unpack here..
Let me start by saying there is nothing wrong with being nostalgic for Fort Bragg because that’s what it was called when you trained or were stationed there. Not your fault the Army named for an asshole in 1918. But a lot of people are taking it way beyond that.
Second let me address D liddle’s comment first. First, you will have to forgive me if I don’t take YouTube comment sections as determinative reflection of prevailing public sentiment. Especially because a lot of those comments seem to be suspiciously similar. If I were to assume that all the comments hoping that women and LGBTQ people join the Army and get themselves killed are genuine, then I am quite comfortable saying those are probably terrible people that I would rather not have in the all-volunteer force to begin with. I remember serving with people like that. Guys who threatened to kill anyone they found out voted for Obama or were gay. Guys who told me to my face they were leaving because don’t ask don’t tell was being repleaded and they refused to serve in an army were gay people were treated like people. I was happy to see them go.
I also think it’s narrow minded to assume that the only reason that the Army is missing recruiting targets are for alleged culture war reasons. That may indeed be a factor. But we’re also in the midst of a red-hot jobs market, which always hurts recruiting numbers. We’re still very much in the cultural and historical shadow of two very unpopular and unsuccessful wars during which the Army developed a reputation for kinda treating it’s people like shit. A reputation it’s doing a shit job of shaking when high ranking generals are saying mold and all the other problems in the rapidly deteriorating barracks infrastructure is a “discipline” issue.
Why aren’t people joining the army? Because as birth rates drop there are fewer people to join, and most of those people have better options right now. At least that’s part of the equation anyway.
Honestly, one of the comments, while kinda racist, is still kinda right. One way the Military could solve its recruiting problems is it could convince congress to give anyone who completes and 8 year contract full citizenship and set up recruiting stations at the border. Because those are the people that don’t have better options. And if the army wants to fix retention it’s going to need to fix a lot of the structural problems. Better barracks, move people around less, maybe better pay ect.
Now to address Yawnz. First off, Confederate Veterans are not and never have been legally considered US veterans. Being a veteran of the Confederate Military never qualified someone for burial in the National Cemetery System for example. While a number of confederates were buried in Arlington during the war, the majority were before the National Cemetery system was created and its requirements codified. Until the 1900s it was against federal policy to decorate the graves of the Confederate soldiers that had ended up in Arlington for Decoration (now memorial) day. The Grand Army of the Republic (the US veterans organization of the era) even posted guards to make sure that no confederate headstones were so decorated.
While government furnished headstones were authorized in 1929, and pensions, mostly for widows at that point in 1958, they were never granted legal parity with US veterans and never legally defined as US veterans.
Now morally? Thats a more subjective measure. And I likely can’t argue you in to or out of any position there. That one’s on you friend. I will say, I wouldn’t mind seeing Fort McClellan renamed. He wasn’t that great either. Fort McClellan was preceded by Camp Shipp. Named for a member of the 10th Cavalry killed on San Juan Hill. I’d be happy to see it return to that name, or perhaps another more connected to the history of the post or State. If I have a bone to pick with the naming commission, it’s that I don’t feel the chosen names are sufficiently thematically connected to the posts they are now assigned (and yeah Fort Liberty feels like a complete cop-out, there were better choices there). But neither were the preceding names, so it’s still a net improvment.
So, I am curious what your version of “public sentiment” really is? Elitist types who live in LA and NYC? Youths attending this nations institutes of “higher” learning? Or the sort of folks who might actually join the Army, or talk their kid(s) into joining the Army? While you seem to be a very well-spoken (well-written?) individual, you seem predisposed to defend what was done via the renaming. Does that dovetail into YOUR personal political ideology?
Just like Ft. Bragg, I too miss Ft. Benning home of the infantry which is now a miss named place in history like the other 10 bases. Once, they rewrite history and tear down the rest of the monuments depicting soldiers going back as far as the Revolutionary War, the Marxist will finally win and be happy to change our past.
Imagine being such a snowflake that you get butthurt about bases not being named after traitors. JFC, boomer a little softer please.
Imagine not knowing what a traitor is.
It’s literally the only crime with a specific definition in the Constitution:
“Treason against the United States, shall consist only in levying War against them, or in adhering to their Enemies, giving them Aid and Comfort.”
I know that those of a certain political affiliation (and any Confederate sympathizer has those tendencies at least) preach Constitutionalism but only actually care about the 2nd Amendment, but feel free to actually read the whole thing.
Ditto.
The only good thing about Bragg is that he helped precipitate the collapse of the Confederacy.
Imagine being such a wokester that you use the term “boomer” in such a generic fashion.
I blame Army leadership for this. I have no problem with renaming the bases, the Army had better heroes then Bragg, Benning, etc. If they had gotten ahead of it, the Army could have chosen the new names without relying on a naming commission that had strict guidelines on things like diversity. That’s how you get a Fort named after Mary Walker. All those millions of soldiers and leaders who fought for the Union and we get a base named after a Civil War female doctor who was not even in the Army. Forget her Medal of Honor award, civilians are not eligible. That’s why every one that was awarded to a civilian were retracted (except hers). Hard to believe that you rename ten bases and forget Bradley, Patton, Grant, Ridgway, Robert Howard, Audey Murphy, and on and on.
This is a good take.
Ft Liberty is pretty corny. Getting rid of Bragg is a good move, but they could’ve picked a hero worth honoring instead of that.
Finally someone who actually gets it. Thank you.
As usual the Politically correct are SHOVING their views down our throats. It IS Ft. Bragg to me and I have no compunction on saying so. And if it gets someones panties in a bunch…TOUGH SLEDDING CAUSE THEIR AIN’T NO SNOW
Wow. The amount of boomer copium here is almost deafening. Our society is changing and your racist, sexist, bigoted attitudes are being left behind. Its your own fault that you’ve decided to stay entrenched in your narrow minded belief system.
Personally, I like my bases to be named after heroes who fought for ALL Americans, not after those who fought for a failed cause that threatened to fracture our nation. Cry harder.
Glad to see some sense in this comment section.
Wow, you used the term “boomer”, that makes you a real badass. IF your attitude was like 32sbct, then I might believe you actually gave a damn instead of just being another pandering wokester.
Does no one understand that the Army does not have bases, it has posts.
What about Ft. McChrystal? Ft. McCraven? Ft. Milley? Awesome, because we all want to understand “white rage” is and how we can teach the American soldier about creative race theory(what an utter disgrace). What about Ft. Petreaus? What a ring to it. . . . Get posted here and get a free informant with a va-jay-jay and you’re in!! Ft. Mattis: The bold, the daring, the guy who finally gets paid millions of dollars for doing nothing; before he just got hundreds-of-thousands of dollars for doing nothing. There is a club of people who run the show and make all the money and rules, and YOU AIN’T IN IT!!!
Tomorrow, slide you feet in your pants one leg at a time (if you can do two legs at a time we can judge you on youtube), then carry on with the best of the worst of your lives and buy a war bond or build a victory garden!!!! And remember 0% is still a rating at the VA!
The only problem with Fort Bragg is that it wasn’t named Fort Jackson.