In an effort to help educational staffs prepare for active shooter situations, US Palm has introduced a new variant of their Defender armor carrier called appropriately enough, the School Defender.
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Hmm, should students be allowed to have guns for self defence. Obviously not juniors, but maybe seniors and college students. What do you guys think?
If you’re going that route, the students would need to be of legal carrying age and have CCW permits; which means you have to be 21 and manage to obtain an impossible to get CCW in CA. However, if students want to lug around 6-10 pounds of body armor they should be allowed to. Problem is the calls police get when people call in reporting an individual in body armor in public. So if I can’t carry a firearm, a knife with a blade over 3″, or wear body armor, what do I have?
CCW isn’t impossible in CA, just some counties. That would be the issue with being both a ‘may’ issue state and being county issued instead of state issued. Sacramento county sheriff was sued for their issuance policy and as a result are issuing for the ‘good cause’ of “personal defense” at this time. Now you’re going to have to play the game to get it, but it can be done.
And, without a knife, gun, or body armor. I still have my IQ, and that’s deadly enough.
Why even infringe a child’s 2nd Amendment rights in the first place?
We can have this conversation after you educate yourself on legal age of ownership and various state laws regarding on-campus carry.
Having a passive defense system is a WHOLE lot easier to implement NOW, and is “administratively understandable,” as apposed to arming folks and all the drama that brings with it. Obviously having an armed response in conjunction with a passive level of protection [body armor] would be preferable, but I wouldn’t hold my breath waiting on a ‘Teachers With Guns’ program being rolled out Nation wide any time soon.
FWIW, a double panel large Defender weighs approx. 3.6 pounds, not 6-10.
I was assuming 3-5 pound plates or inserts, though i know they can be lighter. I wasn’t referring to the Defender either, but I see your point.
Body armor alone is not enough Body armor can be defeated. For example more than one bullet impacts with in a few inches weakens that area and possible penetration. Another thing to remember , one vest is for the protection of one person. So
This armor shown is not exactly top shelf. It is not battle field grade stuff. It is ok for the purpose it was designed. It buys time. But what you do with that time is what matters and what counts.
Since the vest protect only one person then the best use of the vest is that the person wearing it does something to protect others. , the students and other faculty. The best way to do that is neutralize the threat quickly and efficiently. The best way to do that and not expose anyone unnecessarily is that some one wearing a vest engage the threat with the force necessary to stop and disable them from doing further harm. even to the point of deadly force. And that basically means FIREARMS.
Many don’t want to hear that and have many arguments against it, but it stands to reason and logic. With proper screening and training a competent school guard or faculty member can provide a first response and engage the threat quicker than law enforcement. It takes anywhere from a few minutes to 15 minutes for any police to arrive from the time they are called. then add the time it takes for them to be called . so add2 to 5 minutes to that.
I think I don’t want to open that can of worms. In states other than mine (the democratic people’s republic of California) where CCW is an allowed practice, I feel like there are a lot of people who just aren’t well enough trained to handle an active shooter. Plus you add in the fact that students get in fights over really petty sh*t. On top of that if you have a bunch of civilians with guns, it makes it really difficult for responders to tell friend from foe. I have a hard enough time in Kandahar City where the civilians aren’t armed.
I would think that any good guys with guns would put them down when in the presence of LEOs responding to the call. Also, why not send teachers or admins, who volunteer, to reputable training (CSAT, Thunder Ranch etc etc)? This would at least give them a fighting chance and it is a fact that when BGs are confronted by GGs with guns, they usually eat a bullet at that point.
In a perfect world, all the good guys would put down their guns and everything would work out. Problem is those situations are incredibly chaotic and mistakes can easily be made. Also, what stops a bad guy from dropping his weapon and pretending to be a good guy? If he’s smart, he might be able to use the chaos to say that they couldn’t be sure it was him.
But that NEVER happens right?
What never happens?
lol well if he puts his gun down then the threat is over and an investigation may identify him.
That’s why the person or persons engaging the threat wears the vest with an identifying mark and that the police in the area are familiar with the designated persons that would carry the CCW. These people would be given a process of physical, psychological screening along intensive and situational firearms training. Local law enforcement can be charged with a mandate to oversee that process.
Once law enforcement arrive they take over the situation and then the designated persons will be under the direction of the officers. and in most cases stand down when directed to do so by the police.
The best people to use in these cases are former military or law enforcement persons. but not always necessary.
I’m pretty sure aECTR is a troll. Obviously, by federal law no one under 21 years of age can purchase a handgun, so unless kids are REALLY getting held back I doubt this is a serious proposal.
However, it is appropriate to discuss the idea of concealed carry on our colleges, and more importantly why many of our military can not legally own handguns because of their age, even though they have more training and experience with firearms than the majority of civilians (and maybe even some law enforcement).
I’m not thinking I want the same “seniors” who I bust for smoking weed out of apples at school are the ones o want carrying heaters even if it were legal.
NO UNDERGAED STUDENTS . COLLAGE STUDENTS MAYBE IF NOT UNDER LEGAL AGE. CCW PERMITS.
Anyone know what makes this any different than a standard LVAC?
It has a pocket on the front big enough for a few pens and a protractor?
That’s kinda what I was thinking. Brings a whole new meaning to the admin pouch.
Looking at the rest of their product line, it looks a lot like their “Slick” carrier, with a small pocket and a loop field for adding the “STAFF” patch. Whether that patch is included or not, I don’t know.
The vest is a great Idea. But it only protects the person wearing it . So these wearers will have to provide protection for those who don’t have a vest, And remember a ballistic vest is no guarantee that the person wearing it will not be harmed Armored vest are ballistic resistant key word is resistant. A body armor vest can be defeated. So in the case of a threat the faculty puts on the vest and takes measures to protect the students. As a minimum lock doors , evacuations etc. We can restrict the threats movements with a lock down but that can restrict evacuation and even trap victims, We can deny entry, with control points. But how can you have full control with out having a means to stop them if they get past those points.
In most cases stopping a unstable person who is determined, dangerous and has the means, the intent and the opportunity to do harm usually can only be stopped with force, deadly force when necessary.
Designated persons such as armed guards or faculty can be given extensive psychological, physical screening along with extensive training in firearms use, laws and threat situation.
The vest is a great, cost effective and practical tool but not an absolute solution. Along with the vest other measures and equipment must be in place as part of a fully integrated defensive protection and response plan.
The fact that there is a specific bullet proof vest for schoolteachers says a lot about american society and your education system….
I still find it mind boggling that your legislators show no interest in actually fixing the problem itself. Very sad.
the “AK47 stopper” should be the most easily concealable rifle protection. With a good carrier it should not be that visable under clothing.
http://www.tacgear.se/shop/viewArticleGroupContent.asp?groupId=144
It is high density so not really light weight but very thin for a rifle plate. So it should be relatively easy to conceal i many civilian. I don’t own this particular plate but I own their also quite thin lv3 dyneema plate which is very excellent.
We carried firearms to school every hunting season in the country when I was growing up. You’d hunt, climb outta the woods before class started, leave the shotgun with an open chamber in the gun rack, or locked in the trunk…
I think the mentality of the ADMINISTRATION changed, not the people they serve… because country folk are pretty standard whether in Montana, Pennsylvania, Upstate New York, or Alabama…