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…and a lot seems to be vaporware, or as pointed out, too costly, particularly for those average PDs where guys supply a lot of their own stuff because the agency has to by stuff like tires and copier toner. Not every agency is LA or NYPD.
I can recall reading an article about a department that outfitted their SRT with a fair amount of stuff from Carhartt. Not cheap, but available and functional and it worked in their environment.
Reminds me of an ink blot test I had to go thru….once upon a time in a psych ward far, far away.
I will state once again though, the best urban camo would be one with a concrete background color mixed in with a parking sign, some bricks, beer bottles, cigarette butts and gum spots.
HOW DO YOU EXPECT OPERATORS TO BE CONCEALED IF THEY CANT EVEN FIT INSIDE THE BUILDING!!?? THE CAMO NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST 3 TIMES BLACKER THAN THIS!! I HAVE A VISION!!
Is this another pattern ODG announces and hypes, but never releases product of? Been waiting for Lupus patterned shirts and pants coming up on three years now.
Well a manufacturer has to buy the fabric and produce the items. Companies like Crye that create the pattern and then produce materials in that pattern are somewhat rare. Maybe you can start a company, but a shit-ton of Lupus, and use it to make pants/shirts/carriers for the rest of us?
Philip, thanks for posting. I am definitely not afraid of constructive criticism. I welcome it when it is relevant. It allows me to use it as fuel to become better and more efficient at what we do. Please allow me to respond by saying, I understand your frustration, and I assure you, you are not alone. Nobody is more frustrated than us when it comes to the rate of growth we can manage as a completely self funded very small service disabled veteran owned company. I think all things considered we have done well with the money and organic resources we have at our disposal. That said, the biggest lesson I have learned in the last four years is; no body gets anywhere in life or business on their own. We are where we are and have enjoyed steady yet slow growth largely because of the quality of people around us. The strength of the wolf is in the pack, and I am eternally grateful for my friends, family and industry partners that have helped us and mentored us at their own expense. Griff, Michele,Rick and the Beyond team,Drew, Johnny, Eric N, Mark G, Cam S, Brian H, Yeti, Travis and Dave, Primo, Drake, John Barklow, Ken B, Dana and the whole MR team, Mikey, Chris, Julie, Nate, LL, Casey, GW all my friends in the SOF and LEO communities and of Course SSD and his awesome wife have all been instrumental. Im positive I forgot someone awesome but I would be here all night trying to remember every last rad person that has helped us, where we lack in resources we certainly make up for in amazing people to include you Philip and the rest of our great customers and fans who have stayed loyally by us as we grow! I can never ever thank all of you enough for your confidence and unwavering support. I digress, Philip if being in business especially in this industry were easy everyone would be doing it. We have had a print capability and cost schedule and fabrics ready since November. If there is a gear builder out there you like and want to see our paint job on their kit, have them give us a call. If you have been waiting for apparel your wait is almost over as Beyond is putting out a great light weight soft shell top and bottom at the end of the month! We have a ton in the pipe line! Now to address the urban pattern. We deliberated greatly at doing one for over a year, and we were opposed to it but when customers and industry partners ask for something for 16 months you should at some point be a good business owner and listen. I personally think urban camo is more fad than function, a good urban camo is dressing like a business man in a suit with some low vis velocity systems armor under your shirt and tie and a MP7 in your brief case, its a hard hat and some orange road cones or a flannel shirt green mohawk and specter heavy in your guitar case. You get the point. Customers want it so we listened and created it. If you like and it fits your needs buy it, if not then don’t. Train Hard! Hunt Hard! and CHOOSE YOUR PREY!
Thank you for your feedback. My comment was not meant as a jab at ODG or anyone on their staff, just a frustrated illustration of something I’ve been excited about for awhile that has yet to come to fruition. Now that I understand there were complications not previously known, it puts it into perspective.
Kudos to ODG and everyone who works there. Business ownership and management is no easy feat.
ODG…I too have been waiting, but the beauty of being in commiefornia is I might have access to people who could make clothing things for you in exchange for moneys or shared profits or something like that. And no, I don’t mean airsoft stuff. I mean peoples who keeps it real.
I’ll look into it in my (limited) spare time, because honestly, I’m a true believer of the patterns.
Weird camo is coming back. In the 80s there was oodles of Tackleberry gucciflage. The youth in me thinks it is neat as I grew up reading Soldier of Fortune. The middle aged man in me chuckles and says “man, I ain’t wearing that!”
Looks like crap. Why even both wasting money developing stuff like this? Your average LEOs don’t have the money or the comprehensive knowledge of the industry to seek out special snowflake products like this when they can buy TRU-spec BDUs for far less and maintain a more professional image.
I don’t even know why Crye released their Law Enforcement variant. I’m sure they were hesitant to do so.
Is there really any point to having all these black dominant urban camo patterns? I’m by no means an SME on this, but it seems like it would offer no more concealment than just having solid black color gear. A lot of these strike me more as being “gucciflage” than an effective camouflage pattern driven by end user requirements and needs. The Crye urban multicam variant is one thing, but patterns like this and the Kryptek one baffle me.
Serge, Darrel, Johnny did you retards read any of the above thread before you started spouting off? LOOK AT WHAT ODG POSTED! These guys are great dudes very experienced and release good stuff! None of you are SMEs and likely none of you own your own company. Crye is a multi million dollar empire and an industry standard for a reason, mainly because they don’t take advice from trolls like you three. I support the LEO community whole heartedly I have several good friends that are LEOs and very talented driven men. Unfortunately thats not always the case. The good LEOs like my friends find a way to make shit happen to progress their departments with the best gear weapons and training. Do you know how many millions of dollars of federal grant money for LEO use goes unused every year because most departments haven’t done the research to find it or have anyone that knows how to write a government grant properly!? That said I am so sick of listening to the whining of some LEOs about money, are most of you underpaid for a tough job? Yes! But so is our military! If you need gear or training host a fund raiser, do a car wash at the strip club, do a bake sale, or a raffle. If you don’t get paid enough or have the gear, weapons or training you want put down your doughnut lose some weight and go work for a progressive department. As far as black camo goes it has become a civilian fashion trend and is huge in Europe do you know how many european SOF units and LEO use black kit? A shit ton! As far as being crap?? What qualifies you to say that Darrel? How unprofessional! Please fill me in on your vast knowledge of camo design and please let me know what industry leading multi million dollar company is putting your pattern on their kit so I can go purchase your cutting edge state of the art pattern! Or just STFU and go back to your high speed life at game stop.
Black is back! Black is the new tan/grey/FDE. Haha. Glad I saved all my ’80s ninja Assaulter gear.
Black never went away.
I see little worms
I saw naked women
Same here… dirty mind?
yeah, but what color is it?
Blue and white
Tazman get your eyes checked because all I see is badass!
So now we’ve got Multicam Black, Spec4ce Metro, ATACS-LE, Kryptek Typhon, and ODG corvus…
That and, at least in the US, camouflage seems to be associated with militarization, so solid colors are more politically palatable.
…and a lot seems to be vaporware, or as pointed out, too costly, particularly for those average PDs where guys supply a lot of their own stuff because the agency has to by stuff like tires and copier toner. Not every agency is LA or NYPD.
I can recall reading an article about a department that outfitted their SRT with a fair amount of stuff from Carhartt. Not cheap, but available and functional and it worked in their environment.
Can I hide within the shadows?
Like I did just like before
wearing proudly this new pattern
quoth the raven, nevermore
Probably the best comment ever to grace SSD
Slow clap sir! All joking aside, Lupus is a great pattern as well.
Do they have any in slightly darker black?
Reminds me of an ink blot test I had to go thru….once upon a time in a psych ward far, far away.
I will state once again though, the best urban camo would be one with a concrete background color mixed in with a parking sign, some bricks, beer bottles, cigarette butts and gum spots.
Already exists. Derelicte Pattern by Mugatu.
Gasoline fight!
Gasoline fight! But if you wear it, you can’t ambiturn
HOW DO YOU EXPECT OPERATORS TO BE CONCEALED IF THEY CANT EVEN FIT INSIDE THE BUILDING!!?? THE CAMO NEEDS TO BE AT LEAST 3 TIMES BLACKER THAN THIS!! I HAVE A VISION!!
What operator? It’s police officers. Second I think we need to have a pt test for all police officers that are not desk jockeys.
Bro, read the thread above we were all making zoolander jokes.
Is this another pattern ODG announces and hypes, but never releases product of? Been waiting for Lupus patterned shirts and pants coming up on three years now.
Well a manufacturer has to buy the fabric and produce the items. Companies like Crye that create the pattern and then produce materials in that pattern are somewhat rare. Maybe you can start a company, but a shit-ton of Lupus, and use it to make pants/shirts/carriers for the rest of us?
My thoughts exactly.
Philip, thanks for posting. I am definitely not afraid of constructive criticism. I welcome it when it is relevant. It allows me to use it as fuel to become better and more efficient at what we do. Please allow me to respond by saying, I understand your frustration, and I assure you, you are not alone. Nobody is more frustrated than us when it comes to the rate of growth we can manage as a completely self funded very small service disabled veteran owned company. I think all things considered we have done well with the money and organic resources we have at our disposal. That said, the biggest lesson I have learned in the last four years is; no body gets anywhere in life or business on their own. We are where we are and have enjoyed steady yet slow growth largely because of the quality of people around us. The strength of the wolf is in the pack, and I am eternally grateful for my friends, family and industry partners that have helped us and mentored us at their own expense. Griff, Michele,Rick and the Beyond team,Drew, Johnny, Eric N, Mark G, Cam S, Brian H, Yeti, Travis and Dave, Primo, Drake, John Barklow, Ken B, Dana and the whole MR team, Mikey, Chris, Julie, Nate, LL, Casey, GW all my friends in the SOF and LEO communities and of Course SSD and his awesome wife have all been instrumental. Im positive I forgot someone awesome but I would be here all night trying to remember every last rad person that has helped us, where we lack in resources we certainly make up for in amazing people to include you Philip and the rest of our great customers and fans who have stayed loyally by us as we grow! I can never ever thank all of you enough for your confidence and unwavering support. I digress, Philip if being in business especially in this industry were easy everyone would be doing it. We have had a print capability and cost schedule and fabrics ready since November. If there is a gear builder out there you like and want to see our paint job on their kit, have them give us a call. If you have been waiting for apparel your wait is almost over as Beyond is putting out a great light weight soft shell top and bottom at the end of the month! We have a ton in the pipe line! Now to address the urban pattern. We deliberated greatly at doing one for over a year, and we were opposed to it but when customers and industry partners ask for something for 16 months you should at some point be a good business owner and listen. I personally think urban camo is more fad than function, a good urban camo is dressing like a business man in a suit with some low vis velocity systems armor under your shirt and tie and a MP7 in your brief case, its a hard hat and some orange road cones or a flannel shirt green mohawk and specter heavy in your guitar case. You get the point. Customers want it so we listened and created it. If you like and it fits your needs buy it, if not then don’t. Train Hard! Hunt Hard! and CHOOSE YOUR PREY!
Thank you for your feedback. My comment was not meant as a jab at ODG or anyone on their staff, just a frustrated illustration of something I’ve been excited about for awhile that has yet to come to fruition. Now that I understand there were complications not previously known, it puts it into perspective.
Kudos to ODG and everyone who works there. Business ownership and management is no easy feat.
I look forward to ODG products in the future!
ODG…I too have been waiting, but the beauty of being in commiefornia is I might have access to people who could make clothing things for you in exchange for moneys or shared profits or something like that. And no, I don’t mean airsoft stuff. I mean peoples who keeps it real.
I’ll look into it in my (limited) spare time, because honestly, I’m a true believer of the patterns.
Jackson Pollack- while depressed.
Weird camo is coming back. In the 80s there was oodles of Tackleberry gucciflage. The youth in me thinks it is neat as I grew up reading Soldier of Fortune. The middle aged man in me chuckles and says “man, I ain’t wearing that!”
Boy…anyone with $3 worth of Photoshop can make a camo pattern these days.
Looks like crap. Why even both wasting money developing stuff like this? Your average LEOs don’t have the money or the comprehensive knowledge of the industry to seek out special snowflake products like this when they can buy TRU-spec BDUs for far less and maintain a more professional image.
I don’t even know why Crye released their Law Enforcement variant. I’m sure they were hesitant to do so.
Is there really any point to having all these black dominant urban camo patterns? I’m by no means an SME on this, but it seems like it would offer no more concealment than just having solid black color gear. A lot of these strike me more as being “gucciflage” than an effective camouflage pattern driven by end user requirements and needs. The Crye urban multicam variant is one thing, but patterns like this and the Kryptek one baffle me.
Serge, Darrel, Johnny did you retards read any of the above thread before you started spouting off? LOOK AT WHAT ODG POSTED! These guys are great dudes very experienced and release good stuff! None of you are SMEs and likely none of you own your own company. Crye is a multi million dollar empire and an industry standard for a reason, mainly because they don’t take advice from trolls like you three. I support the LEO community whole heartedly I have several good friends that are LEOs and very talented driven men. Unfortunately thats not always the case. The good LEOs like my friends find a way to make shit happen to progress their departments with the best gear weapons and training. Do you know how many millions of dollars of federal grant money for LEO use goes unused every year because most departments haven’t done the research to find it or have anyone that knows how to write a government grant properly!? That said I am so sick of listening to the whining of some LEOs about money, are most of you underpaid for a tough job? Yes! But so is our military! If you need gear or training host a fund raiser, do a car wash at the strip club, do a bake sale, or a raffle. If you don’t get paid enough or have the gear, weapons or training you want put down your doughnut lose some weight and go work for a progressive department. As far as black camo goes it has become a civilian fashion trend and is huge in Europe do you know how many european SOF units and LEO use black kit? A shit ton! As far as being crap?? What qualifies you to say that Darrel? How unprofessional! Please fill me in on your vast knowledge of camo design and please let me know what industry leading multi million dollar company is putting your pattern on their kit so I can go purchase your cutting edge state of the art pattern! Or just STFU and go back to your high speed life at game stop.