Since it has already made its way through the Army via email at least once and has now appeared on Social Media as some amazing discovery, I’ll finally share it but without the originating office’s info. That guy doesn’t need every knucklehead who reads the slide calling him.
The info is very succinct and as good as any I’ve seen elsewhere. Also, it jives (as in teasingly so) with the draft ALARACT, I recently mentioned which contains a lot more detail.
Good info, thanks SSD! July 1 availability; it’s nice to finally have a hard date on the wall….that is assuming they get enough stocks for Soldiers to actually buy.
I’d like to point out that this slide did not originate at Department of the Army. It’s about as accurate as anything else floating around out there. It is a matter of “when” and not “if”, but until we see a released ALARACT, no one can transition.
Good points, certainly. All in due time…
The 14th of June seems a convenient day to raise a lot of hullabaloo.
Agreed
Think these would be kosher with that new uniform? http://tacticalgear.com/lowa-suede-uplander-gtx-brown
Probably not, but I’d still wear them. I’ve worn tan Uplands for the last couple years and nobody’s noticed. I love them.
I’ve been wearing the normal Uplanders and after a bit in the field they’re close enough either direction it shouldn’t be a problem.
No way, too dark.
My CSM sent this to me to forward to all my units last week so good enough for me
Are they allowed to use the colors of the current multicam pattern with the new uniforms?
It doesn’t matter at this point, they are.
Has there been any update from crye or duro textiles about the lawsuit?
Looks like we’ll be able to wear our previously issued Multicams until Oct 1, 2018?
Yep, and if you’d have read the big article I published a few weeks ago, you’d already know this.
Anyone know of any manufacturers with boots available or in the pipe prior to August?
There are boots out there now. Issue boots aren’t expected in AMCSS until August.
I’m trying to beat the rush.
Will the TA-50 still be overdyed Tan 499 or will they switch to OCP TA-50?
Not sure yet if that has been abandoned.
Seeing as how they want maximum camouflage coverage on the new combat shirts, I would be guessing pretty hard that solid colors that highlight the torso is out of the question. The Army does not want to be the Marines and the Marines do not want to be the Army. If they do ever manage it however. I am wondering if they will be select items, and if so, which ones? Maybe covers for the magazines on M240s and the like? Or possibly NVG padded inserts? Maybe spare barrel bags? Tents and Bivy covers? Stuff that is most likely to not be seen when used or things doomed to heavy use.
We’re still hearing about the overdye process. Supply SGTs got tentative word that they’ll have to scoop up everyone’s gear and reissue OCP OCIE. The old gear will be dyed at DLA or some uber level govt facility and reissued through TRADOC to OCS, Ranger School, etc. Not really new info, but someone at HQ level is paying attention. Like I said it’s tentative, so really just voiced plans from the good idea fairy at this point.
Any changes to the uniform? Mandarin collar gone? Shoulder pocket velcro enlarged? Pen pocket eliminated?
Really? Search is your friend
Those are serious questions SSD. We know some changes were made, and others were pending. Have any of the pending changes been made, Eldorado ditching the mandarin collar?
Eldorado = especially. Stupid Autocorrect.
Search tells me there has been a lot of talk, but nothing was ever confirmed. I’ll take that as a you don’t know either.
The picture you are looking at has the new ACU on it.
Search SSD. I’ve written at length about it. I’ll give you a hint. It’s here in these 14,000 articles.
Any information on sewing on names, US ARMY, rank, and badges for the current issued OCP FRACUs? What about units with low density patches? Will the current ACU patches be acceptable until the tan 499 patches are out ( OD Green when ACUs were first fielded)?
Probably safe to bet it’ll follow similar regulations to existing ACUs as far as sewing goes. Probably have to deal with pin-on badges until sew-on become widely available, but if you’ve got uniform badges then you can probably snag some online with a Google search for multicam nametapes and such. As far as unit patches, I don’t know but I’ll bet your CoC will have guidance. It makes a little too much sense to sew hook backing to semi-appropriate patches but who knows? The Army can make sense every now and then. Until new ones are issued, UCP patches will look like s#!t but it saves on work and everyone has ’em.
I will really refrain from sarcasm or straight anger here.. The regs governing ACU and OEF-CP / OCP have been out for a while. Common sense applies if you can read AR 670 -1. Read the draft ALARACT here in SSD for the exact details as well. Most likely, no, mixing of ACU/ foliage patches won’t be allowed since the OCP patches have been out for almost 5 years and the wear in date is three years away. There isn’t mixing and matching allowed. Wear complete sets of what you have. If you don’t have it, wait till you do. If you are deploying, take what the Army gives you- it’s not a fashion show. This isn’t the desperate switch that we had ten years ago.
Lighten up Francis.
Holy crap, three years is a hell of a long wearout period. I would start hitting up ebay for your four sets of these ASAP.
I bet people will be buying OCP as soon as possible i.e. as fast as producers can keep up
I was just sent this slide from my two star command CSM so that makes it official for me. I am really glad that it specifies that the new uniform is good to go starting 1 July. That should keep units from not allowing us to wear it until the new recruits get theirs in January. The reality is that we will be in mixed uniforms and gear for years and years to come so everybody just needs to deal with it.
Any updates on when it will be available to the National Guard? Is the draft
ALARACT time still seem feasible?
We were taking bets that this weekend that we won’t be allowed to wear them until they are available for the whole unit not just personal buys.
That will be up to your chain of command.
We were discussing the same thing this past IDT weekend. Seems as though the top brass in our state are already prepping to keep everyone in UCP for as long as possible since they’ve spent so much for ocie and uniforms. RUMINT is that the G3 office and the Chief of staff are planning on issuing an exception to policy on shelf stocking UCP ACUs so that new joes that show up to first formation in OCP can swap out immediately. I guess in some ways it makes sense financially since the guard overall just completed its transition from woodland to UCP. It sucks for those of us who actually work and play in the woods.
I seriously doubt they’ll try that with us, or at least enforce it- many of us are already using OCP plate carriers and kit and no one’s said a thing other than “hey, where’d you get that?”.
I’m still a little confused about meaning behind switching the acronym back to OEF-CP or as the slide puts it OEF-A OCP. Is this to suggest that Multicam truly is no longer OCP as in OCP = OCP? Your last post hinted at the use of differing terms simply to clarify which set of uniforms was being discussed, but more and more the Army seems to be hinting at actual distinction between the two. Especially since the slide gives a wear out date for the Multicam FRACUs.
This slide was made at a a MAJCOM and did not come from the Army G1 so take it for want its worth.
I just saw a release from the Deputy COS G4 showing the roll out schedule for active duty Soldiers. It happens in three waves that start Aug 15 and ends Dec 15th 2015. The roll-out goes from post to post starting with Ft. Bragg. By the looks of the schedule, the whole AD force will have two OCP uniforms NLT 15 Dec 2015. It may have taken a long time to get here, but that is a really fast roll-out schedule.
If I understand you correctly they are going to issue two sets to active duty soldiers?
They are going to issue none to active duty Soldiers.
That’s what it looks like if I’m reading it right.
Sorry you are correct. I believe that this is showing the numbers they are stocking in MCSS. That actually makes more sense. I’m in the USAR and we do get issued our uniforms. I guess my excitement at finally getting out of UCP got the best of me.
I knew that didn’t sound right. No worries.
I hope the draft ALARACT wear out dates of UCP ACU: 30 SEP 2019 and
Possession date for OCP ACU: 1 OCT 2019 than 1 Oct 2018 in the powerpoint slide. I have a lot of ADO multicam that can last me until then and when I retire. I will be out of the Army by Jan 2019.