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Because uhhh Nazi and commie design and not America..
Have you seen a MICH and a WWII German Stahlhelm side by side?
Always a pleassure to see stickgrenade-afficendos in action. The answer is a 40 mike mike M203 underslung grenade launcher!
It’s a logistics issue. Bigger box, fewer toys to play with.
Exactly.
i used these, they can roll, the head and handle is/was round. it got replaced by a egg shaped one in swiss like 1990.
Firstly I would say one reason is that they take too much space, but back in the day they had another advantage because you could carry them tucked in your belt – today I wouldn’t want to do peel drills and buddy carries with loose grenades.
Friction fuse vs. chemical delay in modern grenades…not as predictable frag pattern..I think probably the main reason is that we went with the grenade launcher and it gives the range we desire.
/b or gtfo
So SSD is now reposting from /k/? Never thought I’d see the day.
Not the first time.
Add ribs to the handle for increased tactile grip and pleasure.
A method of carry was to tuck one into your boot (assuming you wore riding boots like the SS) I wouldnt want to carry one that way if I was doing a goose step.
All very good point by Anon…
Didn’t the Nazi’s have the first rocket (V1/V2 brigade and wreck havoc on London).
And the first jet fighter.
And didn’t their rocket scientist get us to the moon in 1969.
Can’t give too much credit where credit is due!
Liquid fueled rockets were invented by an American, Robert Goddard. The American rocket program was in fact multiple programs run by multiple branches, and the paperclip scientists contributed little to the rockets that actually worked.
Brits had jet engines before the war. Most great powers did. They didn’t build fighters because it was pointless to built technical show pieces when you should be building good fighters that run when you need them to and enough to win.
I will never understand why people think that putting a handful of technologies into low rate production and losing shows technical prowess over powers that built factory cities and out-produced them ten-fold with sophisticated equipment that actually worked.
Spot on. You win the internet today.
Can use as a club.
Dud Club!!
As the Demoman can attest, it can be pretty effective:
https://wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Ullapool_Caber
Did the US ever issue a stick grenade, or even experiment with one seriously?
It’s been awhile since I read on the issue, but I’m pretty sure we haven’t even experimented with them. I stand to be corrected, though.
As far as the reason why they’re not in use today? I’m gonna go out on a limb and point out that the explosive/weight/mass ratio is really low, and compared to what you get with a grenade like the M67, it just isn’t logistically effective. Plus, who the hell has a sport where you throw sticks…?
I’d honestly look for a revival of the old discus grenade style, first–Everyone throws frisbees, right?
Come to think of it, why the hell haven’t we done frisbee-style drone/sensor platforms? Seems like it might be a way to get a camera and/or other sensors deployed fairly effectively.
New requirement for special forces: Frisbee expertise.
Will look good on the resume 😉
Clearly we can compromise by making a “milspec” version of a tennis ball thrower for dogs to allow our soldiers to toss their current grenades farther than they do now /s
It’s called a 40mm UGL or GMG
The tennis ball thrower for dogs appears to be a modern adaptation of the atlatl:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spear-thrower
A shepherd’s sling has been used to throw grenades:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sling_(weapon)
Bros, my TL came across hundreds of these back in Saudi in 91. He said the commie guys had them strung out all over the place and when they rolled in hot! There guys called in strikes and eliminated the threat! He said the commes thro them and there EOD would have to clear the route all the way back to the wire.
What he probably saw were POMZ-2 AP stake mines, not grenades. The stake mines had Soviet pull fuzes on top of them, while stick grenades have the fuse in the bottom of the handle.
Yeah, they kinda-sorta look alike, but this is why we have ID handbooks, and tell people to describe what they see, not what they think they’re looking at. You tell EOD that you’ve got a field full of stick grenades, and they’re gonna kill themselves to get there so they can get the damn things to fill out their collection of inert ordnance–Actual WWII or newer stick grenades are something of a “Holy Grail” for some of those guys. As they say, describe, don’t interpret in your spot reports.
bro, he knows what he saw! They where grenades and they even had a snip[er team on standby! These would be perfect for raid ops throwing crash bangers into rooms and down long hallways. We usually throw a crash after we finish clearing the fatal funel.
Aha! So that’s how you get EOD to come out: tell them you found some old Nazi explosives.
The weirder the shit you find for them, the quicker they show up.
I dunno if they’re still as nuts for the unique stuff they can demil and put on display, but all the guys I knew who were long-term EOD were into that whole scene–Cartridge collecting for grown-ups, they called it.
There was one guy I knew who pretty much had “one of everything” dating back to Vietnam, and he was working on doing what he could to trade for Korean and WWII-era stuff with the EOD folks from Europe and Korea. His “holy grail” was if they ever found one of the balloon bombs from when they tried to set the Western US on fire. He kept hoping someone would find one intact, somewhere…
While no longer produced by the Russians/Soviets(to my knowledge), somebody still manufactures RKG-3s and other variants. That was the hot ticket to throw at mounted patrols in Iraq. If you don’t have to hump them, they are a slick design, though I am sure improvements can be made to the fragmentation patterns.
The RKG-3 is a good grenade, not really a replacement for the old stick grenades though, as they are an anti-armor HEAT grenade, not anti-personnel (hence having a relatively small amount of frag).
You guys browse /k/? Thought soldiersystems could not get any cooler. Greetings from Germany
Honest honey,just the tip…
The M24 and M43 Stielhandgranate was an offensive hand grenade intended on causing concussion, smoke and noise. It was still somewhat lethal, but that wasn’t the intent for it’s use.
It had a fragmentation sleeve that could be slipped over it for defensive uses, but this made it heavier, thus decreasing throwing distance.
Plus, even the Krauts started using M39 Eiergranate. That wooden handle was ounces you didn’t need to carry and bulky as well.
What they really need is a polyvalent munition, something that consists of a small explosive charge that can be stacked with others to make bigger ones, along with a multi-purpose fuse and frag sleeves.
One fuse, one charge–Programmable flash-bang/offensive hand grenade.
One fuse, two charges–Programmable offensive blast hand grenade.
One fuse, one charge, one frag sleeve–Programmable defensive hand grenade with small kill zone.
Fuse, two charges, two sleeves–Programmable defensive hand grenade with large kill zone.
Fuse, multiple charges and sleeves–AP mine.
Design the charges right, and you could probably even build up AT mines out of them.
I honestly don’t know why we’ve stuck with the damn M112 demo block for as long as we have–Having some kind of plastic tupperware-like packaging that could clip together to make charges would only be sensible, and if you added in the ability to attach multiple fuses that were fully modern and digital…?
I really want to see some fusing options that include things like sensors, cameras, and the ability to remote the damn things for man-in-the-loop detonation. What we’ve got right now is so damn primitive that it hurts.
when i was at JMTC the austrians were using training stick grenade
Gives pleasure? That’s a strike against: fecal contaminated grenades will spread disease amongst the ranks, and with females now, will be hoarded. However, it brings new meaning to the saying, “Pleasure Stick go boom”.