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Army veteran here. 4-69 – 11-71. Who are the Yo-Yos at the Army’s top who…. 1. decided that berets would make everyone an elite soldier? 2. Pink and Greens, really? GMAFB. As proud as I am for volunteering for Vietnam and extending twice, I am ashamed for what has happened to our Army. At present no uniform is sharper than that worn by U.S.MARINES. It just means something.
The USMC uniform is a former Army uniform. The reason they always look sharp is they don’t change.
Civilian here, voting for crushed.
I prefer that the hat be styled like the WWII version. This is all out of scale/proportion and looks like something a Russian or NK Admiral would wear. Otherwise, I like the new “pinks & greens”.
Crushed looks rakish and debonair. Like you’re piloting a B-25H on a strafing run at a Japanese supply convoy. Crushed all the way.
Pshaw!. I see your B-25H and raise you a P-61A.
Pshaw? is that what we should expect from American aviators? cooler, two weeks
You highlight the very reason it should not be crushed – not an Army tradition. This is something for bomber pilots, which, at present, the Army does not have.
Unless you’ve actually been piloting a B-25 you should go with stiffened.
I agree smashed down served a purpose, it no longer would serve a function, stiffener
The “crushed” was crushed on account of wearing a headset over it. Do we still wear headset/earpro? I believe it trends toward the statement, “we’re doing our job” not starching our BDU combat uniform, akin to “all show, no go.”
I agree with the previous comments that the stiffened hat resembles communist military headgear.
You wear headsets/ earpro over your service cap?
The stiffened hat looks like a green version of the current green hat
30 year Naval Officer. If you are wearing a combination cover, why do you want it to look like you pulled it out if a dumpster? Garrison covers, patrol covers, boonie covers all give the “salty” look.
Service uniform with “crushed” look? Why not coffee stains too?
BTW the crushed cap was usually specific to the AAF, now the USAF. Why would today’s combat arms be trying to imitate the “flyers”? How many tankers or infantry officers word a “crushed” cover?
Finally, if you want to look like a combat veteran, earn it! Out of the box debonair is for posers!
Wait till you see the A2 flight jackets they are going to authorize.
I’m down with the A2s and aviators
Bang on. Do the time and you will have the look no pre-crushed costume can convey.
I remember guys going nuts when they could bash their hat, even special techniques. Never bothered myself.
I await soldier’s complaints of units requiring them to wear their service caps one way or another.
The service cap is optional wear. The garrison/overseas cap will be the issue item for all. So soldiers should not have a complaint.
Why would the army want to wear air Corp hats?
It was the Army Air Corp at the start of the war, then the Army Air Force.
The crusher cap happened because aviators would remove the stiffeners to accommodate the radio headset they wore in the cockpit. Obviously Uncle means for us to wear our Beats noise canceling headphones with these. I approve. But will the headphones be issued, and can I substitute Bose?
“Sitffened” is correct choice.
“Crushed” is incorrect. Are they going to issue pre beat-up leather jackets, and pre-scuffed boots too? And we’re not talking about heritage of the Army, but rather the Army Air Corp with crushed cap.
The Army needs to simply design a properly sized cap that looks appropriate for the dress purpose.
I’m confused…the manufacturer wants to know what “we” want? How about the service acts like a military organization, specify one mode of wear, and then have the product made that way? Totally backwards way of doing this, and probably indicative of a larger issue as to why the Army has so many uniform SNAFUs.
Voting on facebook…what a terrible way to go about this…
Stiff, then smash. Pffffft, ARMY. NAVY’s known this since the first sailor’s first port call, passed down from Adam.
“Crushed” is “traditional” for pilots.
I’m still flummoxed on how that style was promoted for the whole force?
The desire for an unstructured/sloppy look clashes with the desire to create a sharp dress uniform. The uniform is supposed to promote pride and reach back to the Army’s WWII roots but the crushed look applied to a very select subgroup and a specific practice that applied to a small minority of WWII vets.
Glad someone is listening and the the very applying common complaint about looking like a pilot.
It started in WWII as a simple solution to a problem. For whatever reason, Officer bomber crew members were required to wear ties and service caps even while flying. This was mostly in the Central European Combat Theater. The headphones would not fit over or around the service caps, so they just removed the simple stiffening rod and wore the cap with the headphones over the top. After a period of time the cap became worn or looked crushed. It was also called the “50 mission hat”. It gave the pilot/crew a certain saltiness…just like a well worn hose hide A-2 flight jacket did. Make the damn hat like it was made in WWII and if you don’t like it then take the damn stiffener out. It’s a pilot thing, not an Army thing. Maybe if Army Aviation wants to adopt a crushed style then let’em do it. The horse hide A-2 is another thing entirely. It was worn by anyone who could get their hands on one…like Douglas MacArthur, early airborne troops, ground crews, or anyone. The A-2 flight jacket isn’t as specific to aviation as the “50 mission cap”. The crushed cap adds no glamor or saltiness to the wearer outside of an aviation setting and in today’s world it means even less.
The “traditional crushed” isn’t “traditional”.
It’s what (some) Army Air Corps pilots did to their service caps from wearing them under headsets while flying.
In the rest of the Army it’s was considered faddish and discouraged.
This is an Army uniform.
You’ll also not that the postwar USAF didn’t do this.