SIG MMG 338 Program Series

Consider Yourself Warned

I’m seeing a negative pattern of behavior developing. It’s best to just address it, so corrections can be made.

You aren’t a comedian
No one cares that the price is too high for you
No one cares you can’t use it, whatever it is
No one cares about someone else’s beef
It’s great that a manufacturer doesn’t have the same political views as you, but this isn’t a political site
This isn’t Facebook or some online forum where you can just wild out
Don’t say something to someone else, you wouldn’t say face-to-face

Aside from the small arms renaissance post, few comments have been additive as of late. If your comments indicate that you can’t accept the guidelines set out above, they most likely won’t make the cut.

27 Responses to “Consider Yourself Warned”

  1. TJ says:

    Mad props for demanding respectful communication.

  2. JKifer says:

    nicely done sir

  3. RobM says:

    Ok, fair enough

  4. Steve Hupe says:

    Not to add fuel to the fire, but haven’t you had to make this warning before? What is so hard for people to get about acting civil?

  5. Roy Woodall says:

    …and why would anyone want their stuff featured here if it gets criticized by anonymous passive aggressive comments. Professionalism is not too much to ask.

    Thank you.

  6. Ed bergeron says:

    Amen brother…

  7. Disco says:

    Fair enough. I would like to say that if a person represents a weapons company that they can sell their product or they can sell themselves, but they can’t always sell both.

    As a lot of us know from hard won experience, the big army solicits many things, buys a few of those things, and once in a while issues them.

    The commercial gun market is highly, highly fickle and prone to a lot of malicious regulation and restriction. There are companies who would love your money but your elected officials seem to want to preclude that because of their own personal problems.

    So if someone has a reasonable question, comment, or observation; throwing up a “Hey, I’m God. Hooah” attitude is a huge turn off and people will invariably associate that attitude with the company that, again, is under constant legislative and bureaucratic scrutiny. You are marketing lefe-ending/life-saving devices. Not an energy drink. Likewise you arent the first guy nor the last to shoot someone in the face on foreign soil. A lot of people just shrug and keep living, trying to be positive.

    I think more humility and more maturity would go farther than the current trend of middle aged professionals trying to talk like teenaged black kids and taking every criticism as if it were blasphemy.

    Type A works with people you know, but not always people you dont. It’d be great if life were a big smoke pit where you could be up on yourself. But it isn’t.

    I got, to steal from Bill Maher, a New Rule. If you wouldn’t word it exactly the same way to a board of investors/vendors/poetential buyers who may not be fully versed in the product they are going to be putting money into, and you are a known, professional spokesperson, then you shouldnt say it.

    In my teens and twenties, I loved guns and it led me to my vocation. Now, I actually almost hate guns and gun people to include the “experts” and hype men.

    Part of me, and I hate ti say it like this, but part of me almost wishes Clinton had won just to get people back in the right mode. In 2013, everyone was on eggshells and wanted to be seen as responsible and worthy of their rights. But now its gone to some heads and this current wave of Mickey Mouse “Hey You” crap has got to go. The incestuous ‘good ol’ boy’ bunch has made some people as of late seem like they are “celebrities” when 99% of people out there (who do in fact purchase weapons and kit) are like “who?!”

    There it is.

    • SSD says:

      Good points, but if you want to talk shit to a guy who is using his real name, use yours too.

      • Disco says:

        What’s next? Pulling off into Denny’s parking lots to go nose to nose to people? That’s high school. High school was a long time ago.

        If yiu mean Vickers, I have actually defended him when he was right or was being needlessly piled on. My only contention was his open endorsement of a school whose practices were ‘brow-raising’. He went on offensive. Then I tried to say it wasn’t me being negative just that the owner of that school has had legal issues and does not always come off as stable. Another guy was using his first name and got insulted by vickers and….no.

        I don’t play the lifer game. I’ve taken E5s off alone and put them at parade rest for playing buck buck pecking order games on a new guy or someone trying to learn.
        My …I dunno…handle when I post is a truncation of my name.

        Honestly at this point I dont care about Vickers one way or another. I’ve never outright insulted him but have criticised after he lets his arrogance get the better of him. He’s playing a character. I get it.

        You can be super squared away and knowledgable but when you start telling folks how they suck, “they hate us cuz they aint us”, how ignorant you think they are, call people you dont know teenage basement dwellers, and do this fat 8th grader spiel of having an “in your face” attitude; it passes brow raising and gets off putting.

        People look to certain people as LEADERS and EXAMPLES. And antics that play well at the smoke pit or in closed session wall to wall counseling dont work elsewhere. Either answer questions politely or dont answer. This has been a problem for Vickers going back to tge Daniel Defense ad. Others do it too. He’s not the only one. It’s just more disappointing when an E-8 who was in Cold War era Delta does it. Seriously. The man has knowledge but when he gets 8th grade about it. It’s like “Really?”.

        So this is very much a two way street. I live my life and count the time to ETS. I enjoy looking up items that would make life easier and be more practical. When my time is up, I’m getting a real job. If I were willing to put name rank and serial no out there and ‘DickyDoo22″ said something I didnt like I would answer his points of order tersely and professionally for the benefit of others if there were any pounts or if it was “lol ur fat/bald/old/whatever”; I’d likely ignore him altogether

        But no Rambo am I, however when my day is done I am going to live a normal life and not be so full of myself.

        If SSD thinks calling out folks for playing Lifer games is “talking shit” then I can be just as content to look at the pretty pictures and release dates.

        In summary, I have no interest in prostrating before a guy with a shooting school nor meeting him at the Traffic Light lounge parking lot, no interest in facebook drama, and dont care about my mom (God rest her) “bringing me tendies” while I play Nintendo.

        But I would like SNCOs to act like SNCOs.

        There it is.

        • SSD says:

          I would like SNCOs to act like SNCOs as well, and part of that is standing behind what you say. You have a beef with a guy using his real name…use yours. Otherwise, zip it. If you aren’t willing to man up in that situation, then it obviously isn’t important enough to involve yourself in. This isn’t personal, it’s just the way things are from now on.

    • Hubb says:

      Are you the same “Disco” that insulted Larry Vickers and called Tatiana Whitlock a MILF on the April 5, 2017, post titled “Aimpoint Joins Forces With Tatiana Whitlock”?

      • PTMcCain says:

        The guy who yelped the loudest in response to the SSD notice, is the guy to who the warning applies perhaps most strongly. Disco should simply have said nothing, or simply: Roger. Wilco.

        I’ll drop my humorous quips, was just having fun,but I can see how/why the site prefers to keep it professional.

        In other words:

        Roger. Wilco.

  8. Steven S says:

    It seems like you have to make a post like this every 6 months.

  9. John says:

    No one really cares either dude.

    • Dev says:

      I hope they do. This site didn’t use to allow comments, I learnt a great deal from the comments section from more informed posts and commentators. It’ll be a shame if that privilege was taken away.

  10. Callmespot says:

    But dad all the kids are doing it today….

    Today’s reading is: 110 Rules of Civility & Decent Behavior in Company and Conversation.

  11. Flippy says:

    Well said that man, just a shame it had to be said!

  12. Pat says:

    Thanks for fighting the good fight, SSD.

  13. james says:

    thank you… you have always encouraged better… sometimes it just needs to pushed a little harder…

    keep up the great work!

  14. SG says:

    I am guilty of weaponized snark in past comments, but to be fair, I felt I was using it as a form of counter-snark, in enfilade. I personally pledge to behave.

    To second Dev, I too have learned a great deal from the comments section, and have posted questions, and the Vox Populi Miles Ratio have been kind enough to answer in earnest a question asked in earnest, and I think it would be a shame to lose that. As a friend of mine is fond of telling me (often), “talk less”.

    Thanks Eric for all you do. It can’t be easy keeping this gang of apes in line.

  15. Will Rodriguez says:

    SSD I know it can be frustrating and disheartening at times to enforce comment civility. It sometimes can feel like juice not worth the squeeze. It is and what differentiates the great sites from the good ones.

    As has been said much is learned in the comments section. Heck sometimes more is learned there than in the article. You’ve created a seminal internet destination. Keep it up.

  16. SSD says:

    Thanks for the support.

  17. Wayne Coker says:

    Thank you my friend for at last clearing the air of the trolls.