I can’t wait to check out the newest civilian-legal version of the Laser Devices DBAL. Functionality includes IR Laser, Visible Laser (Red and Green), and LED IR Illuminator. Additionally, the housing will be offered in Black or FDE.
It is making its debut at SHOT Show.
Tags: Laser Devices, SHOT Show
How the hell did they do that (civi legal IR laser)? Actually, I don’t care, so long as I can get one that’s all that matters! iirc you can possess them, but not sell/buy them, so this is very interesting! My bet is that you buy the module, and alter it
God I wish I could go to SHOT Show this year!
It’s a much lower power IR laser than those used in military designators.
https://soldiersystems.net/2011/02/15/more-on-the-laser-devices-civilian-class-i-lasers/
Well, I’ve done some research, and now understand the restrictions are mainly applied to output (5mW or higher). Interesting this is neither food nor drug, and yet the specific regulations are under the FDA. Gov’t works in strange ways… and no, I’m not really surprised.
I am concerned when I see things like this. How long until the bad guys get their hands on these? Does ITAR still apply to the civilian-legal market? Are they for domestic sales only? If so, is anyone naive enough to think that the black market won’t be smuggling systems like these out of the border?
Granted, you need to have the optics to truly leverage something like this. I just don’t like the idea of having the good guys’ lead over the dirtbags eroded.
What application does a civilian have for this, other than looking cool, or causing trouble? Hunting deer at night?
For what applications would this be relevant from a civilian perspective? I don’t understand.
Casting my mind back 15-20 years, this is something I would have sought out as a teenager to cause havoc. Outside of that venue, I am having a hard time coming up with a scenario where I need to illuminate a target/area/etc so that some sort of guided munition could impact. If it weren’t used for a ‘lasing’ role, the only other thing I can think of is illumination, which would be much better served via a high power flashlight.
Wide open to any illustrations of legitimate use though- I may be viewing this from a narrow perspective. Or perhaps I’m just blinded by the laser the damn neighbor kids keep shining in my eye from the adjacent ridge…
It doesn’t matter if YOU can’t think of a legitimate use. Making it illegal does not stop criminals from getting it, only aw-abiding citizens. Until you’ve had a gunfight at night you will have only your imagination to assist you.
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While this is a not a definitive answer, some technologies may still be governed by ITAR while others by Commerce regulations. Regardless of which, violation of either is illegal.
As for not selling a technology simply because someone might break the law with it, is not a good reason. By extension that same argument could be applied to anything including firearms.
Two questions I hate to hear: “What do you need that for” and “What if the bad guys get that”. Implications are that I, as an American, have to provide a “need” to own something, and that bad guys are somehow prevented from obtaining anything by a law. Ridiculous.
Quick question, which may clear up a bunch of confusion and ‘concern’- this to me looks like a full-sized laser designator, i.e. the size of a pair of binoculars, and thus not weapons mountable- am I totally wrong in that assumption?
If, instead, this is a small (i.e. 3″ long, 2″ wide) picatinny mountable laser sight, then I take away all my previous questions regard usefulness.
If it is a full-size laser designator, though, I am honestly curious as to what you could use it for, without the equivalent of any laser-guided munitions available to you as a civilian.
Not trying to poopoo the need/right to own one, just trying to clear up what the use case is.
It is weapon mountable, as indicated by the 1913 mount lever in the lower right corner. Calling in “laser-guided munitions” would require a coded signal, and much higher power than this. With this low of a power output, using it for air-ground integration is highly unlikely (and then you’d have to find the “air” part of that equation and the munitions and the pilot’s method of viewing it (NVG or NIR sensor). This looks to be an upgrade of their existing civilian legal DBAL which is primarily used for CQB low-light targeting and illumination. With that minimal power, it could be used for targeting nuisance animals (coyotes, hogs, etc.) at 100m +/- ranges which will more than likely be it’s primary application when purchased. Take a look at their existing civilian legal DBAL for a comparison. Could be wrong, but we’ll find out at SHOT.
Awesome, thanks AttackBlue1- that’s where I was off. I renounce my previous questions/concerns, and apologize for any distraction due to my comments.
So this is a laser sight- if someone had said that initially, I can guarantee the back and forth on this would have been eliminated.
No worries! Multiple others likely had the same question.
Yes, thank you AttackBlue1 for your input.
I appologize for seeming all huffy-puffy instead of just stating what I find desireable about an IR laser: taking out hogs and other varmints at night under night vision. It’s just a cool way to do it, but willl be an expensive activity.
The laser you see in the pic above is designed to be mounted on a rifle. This new model is not the size of a pair of bino’s. In fact, it is tiny, which is awesome! It will be considerably smaller and lighter than the current model offered by the same manufacturer.
This NV game is a slippery slope! Not only does the initial cost of the NVG’s cripple your wallet but I bet this little gem goes for at least a grand. Where is Jesse Ventura I smell a conspiracy.